different kinds of technology, information technology. and also retail trade and leisure and hospitality. those are lower-paying jobs. those tend not to be jobs that you can send a kid to college on. often they tend to be part-time jobs as well. so, manufacturing and ali is right, especially in those swing states. health care jobs that have been growing, it's these knowledge jobs that have been growing, there's good demand for. we talk about these numbers, too. when you talk to ceos, soledad, the thing they say is we can't find workers with the right skills for our jobs. politically, we're talking about we need more jobs. but ceos say we don't have the right workers. we have the jobs, not the right workers. that become an education story. >> the numbers we've been talking about, most politically charged numbers here, labor force participation rate that rose 578,000 in october and the labor force participation rate edged up to 63.8%. so there is movement in that number that you were talking about before. how much is that really? >> so that